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2007-11-22

Sometimes when you’re stumbling, you step in a pile of crap

Filed under: environment, science — stone1343 @ 5:18 am

Here’s a site I just StumbledUpon, Long Range Weather by Harris-Mann Climatology, another attempt to delude people about human-induced global warming.

First, let me introduce “climatologist” Cliff Harris. According to SpokesmanReview.com, “Harris is not a trained scientist – he studied insurance law in college…” and from TribTalk.com,

Harris is also a devout Christian and believes the Bible is loaded with clues on predicting the weather. “I do believe in a period of extreme global warming. That will be in the tribulation period. That’s when the real global warming will come in,” he said. “Those of us who are believers, we’re looking forward to it.”

Harris acknowledges that people are playing a role in polluting the atmosphere, but he thinks society would be better off devoting its limited resources on ending poverty, curing diseases or providing universal health care, rather than investing in costly forms of clean energy or curtailing business to reduce carbon dioxide. “I believe this planet is a breathing entity, made by God, to clean itself, adjust itself,” Harris said.

And his colleague, Randy Mann, a TV meteorologist. Again quoting from SpokesmanReview.com,

Mann also has doubts about the severity and cause of the earth’s changing climate…. “I’m not saying we’re right. We’re just trying to say there are other possibilities here,” said Mann, who holds a degree in geography. Mann said he believes humans are likely playing a role in the changing climate, but that it’s an exaggerated one.

Next, let’s look at their data. If you go to their page, you’ll see a graph (which I won’t reproduce here) which shows several ups and downs in global temperature during the past 4500 years. One question comes to mind immediately, where did they get their data? No hints about that, and this doesn’t look like any graph I’ve seen. The most scientific this graph gets is where they try to correlate the cold periods with volcanic eruptions, but their bias comes through when they chart the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt and the birth of Christ.

Ok, so we have two people with little qualifying expertise, providing a made-up chart as evidence suggesting that volcanic activity and solar “irradiation” are responsible for past climate changes.

To paraphrase Randy Mann, I am saying they’re wrong. Their qualifications are weak, their data appears made-up, and they’ve completely missed the crux of the problem: No one denies that past climate changes were the result of natural processes. The problem is that the current change is happening faster than ever before, and it’s caused by human activity. See gristmill, New Scientist or Lighter Footstep for more information.

What is it about climate change deniers, that so many seem to be Christians? Why are they so incapable of understanding  this issue? What arrogance makes them think they’re right and the vast majority of scientific experts are wrong? More importantly, why are so many of them taking this position? What do they gain by misleading Americans into believing there’s no problem?

To any global warming deniers, Christian or otherwise, who happen to read this, I challenge you to go read some real information about the issue, not the mis-information you’ve been reading so far. Learn about climate change and accept it for what it really is: the biggest challenge mankind has ever faced. Become a positive force, not a negative one. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

2 Comments »

  1. Man made global warming is nothing more than a politician’s dividing tool. I am an atheist who HAS done some ‘real’ studying on the matter and after years of study and research, I have come to one conclusion. It’s bull.

    The climate IS changing and there IS global warming, but it is not due to the actions of humankind. Are we ‘helping’ the matter? No. Do we need to cut back? Yes. Something should be done b/c it is wrong and unhealthy(to us and wildlife), not b/c we are ‘destroying’ the planet. I agree that this may be one of the biggest challenges mankind has ever faced and I also agree that we need to focus on solving the problem, but I think our views of why and how are a little different.

    Basically, our entire solar system is undergoing changes. Even PLUTO is experiencing extreme temperature changes. Pluto has undergone a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure, which is the highest increase of any planet, and it is increasing as Pluto orbits AWAY from the Sun.

    These links only touch on two subjects; our solar system’s temperature changes and a non-biased explaination of what you discussed in your article. I don’t wish to debate the finer points of G.W. with you b/c it is an endless debate that has endless sources for each point of view. I have only responded b/c you have ’shelved’ all man made global warmer ‘deniers’ together. We are not ALL idiots and many of us HAVE done our research. YEARS OF IT.

    Is this information ‘real’ enough for you?

    http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-131

    http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/newsroom/pressreleases/20031208a.html

    http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/newsroom/20050920a.html

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v428/n6985/abs/nature02470.html

    http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/pluto.html

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1697309.htm

    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978ApJ…223..589V

    http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=12353

    http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/medieval_marsh.html

    There aren’t too many Yukons on Mars

    Comment by chiz — 2007-12-07 @ 4:05 pm

  2. chiz, thanks for the comment. You’re made me realize that I was probably unnecessarily harsh. I was just angry at the whole anti-GW lobby. BTW, I found the interstellar dust cloud article interesting, that was something that I hadn’t read about yet.

    I don’t want to get an argument with you either, because whatever the reason, we’re still basically on the same side, but the Gristmill link I provided ( http://gristmill.grist.org/skeptics ) has a link specifically covering warming on Mars & Pluto ( http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/17/222712/69 ).

    Anyway, all I’m saying is that a huge amount of science has been done, and there’s an overwhelming consensus among scientists that it’s caused by us. That doesn’t mean all scientists agree, and it certainly doesn’t mean all non-scientists need to agree. I just get angry at the people who say it’s not happening but don’t have any science to back up their position, such as this guy ( http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119680478212413517.html ), who just seems too opposed to Al Gore to ever accept the data.

    Comment by stone1343 — 2007-12-07 @ 9:32 pm


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